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		<title>By: Ujge</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1762</link>
		<dc:creator>Ujge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it with these mean and nasty liberals, trying to stop us regular Americans from having our say about the dangerous socialist asgenda of the Obama! Now, we are waking up, and we are going to take our country back from the socialists, from the lefties, and from all the other people that hate our country and hate our freedoms. IF we let our government take our health care away from the insurance companies and put it in the government, then we are going to be no better than our neighbors up north - yes, Canada, and their socialist agenda! I don&#039;t want the government in my health care. I want to be able to choose my own health insurance company. And, if I can&#039;t pay, we&#039;ll I&#039;m not gonna be some whiner loser and ask Uncle Sam to pony up the difference. You know what they say - if you can&#039;t pay, you can&#039;t play. All this talk from the Obama about how insurance companies stop people from getting coverage - its a bunch of talk. Health care is a business and its our business to stay healthy. And, when you get sick, you pay. That, my friends, is what makes America the best health care in the world. Don&#039;t let them take this away from us! Write to that Driehaus scoundrel and tell him you want government out of our health care. Keep our health ccare private. I&#039;d rather have some problems and not get coverage than have the government run my health care and start sterilizing people and giving out abortions like Christmas cookies in December. We just MUST keep insurance a private business in America! Stop the socialists from taking away our health care freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it with these mean and nasty liberals, trying to stop us regular Americans from having our say about the dangerous socialist asgenda of the Obama! Now, we are waking up, and we are going to take our country back from the socialists, from the lefties, and from all the other people that hate our country and hate our freedoms. IF we let our government take our health care away from the insurance companies and put it in the government, then we are going to be no better than our neighbors up north &#8211; yes, Canada, and their socialist agenda! I don&#8217;t want the government in my health care. I want to be able to choose my own health insurance company. And, if I can&#8217;t pay, we&#8217;ll I&#8217;m not gonna be some whiner loser and ask Uncle Sam to pony up the difference. You know what they say &#8211; if you can&#8217;t pay, you can&#8217;t play. All this talk from the Obama about how insurance companies stop people from getting coverage &#8211; its a bunch of talk. Health care is a business and its our business to stay healthy. And, when you get sick, you pay. That, my friends, is what makes America the best health care in the world. Don&#8217;t let them take this away from us! Write to that Driehaus scoundrel and tell him you want government out of our health care. Keep our health ccare private. I&#8217;d rather have some problems and not get coverage than have the government run my health care and start sterilizing people and giving out abortions like Christmas cookies in December. We just MUST keep insurance a private business in America! Stop the socialists from taking away our health care freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1689</link>
		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, Mike, Nathan,

Thanks for the meet-up yesterday. I much enjoyed the laid back format where we just got to discuss our opinions and insight.

I look forward to doing it again.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the meet-up yesterday. I much enjoyed the laid back format where we just got to discuss our opinions and insight.</p>
<p>I look forward to doing it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Lane</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1666</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I look forward to meeting with you today. Hopefully others can join us, but if not I look forward to an open dialogue. Take care all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I look forward to meeting with you today. Hopefully others can join us, but if not I look forward to an open dialogue. Take care all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Littleton</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1665</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Littleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, Coleman and Nathan Lane have agreed to talk - in person!!

Absolutely awesome.

Nathan, myself and Mike Wilson are meeting today at 3:30pm (October 23).

And, I sent a quick late notice e-mail to Will and Coleman. Even if they can&#039;t make it today, they are committed to sitting down.

I know I sound completely naive and idealistic, but if we can agree to not name call and sit down - anyone can.

It doesn&#039;t mean we will agree on every point, or we will be able to convince each other of anything. Not the point.

But, it is the first step towards civil conversations and legitimate debate, not just random name calling from any side.

I said it above, and I&#039;ll say it again - if we can do this, why can&#039;t our elected officials? 

They block each other from meetings, and very rarely open up dialogue with each other. They just shoot attacks at each other through the media. So childish.

If, We the People, need to start the process of sincere dialogue and work towards the fix without them, so be it. We&#039;ll pull them along with this process!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, Coleman and Nathan Lane have agreed to talk &#8211; in person!!</p>
<p>Absolutely awesome.</p>
<p>Nathan, myself and Mike Wilson are meeting today at 3:30pm (October 23).</p>
<p>And, I sent a quick late notice e-mail to Will and Coleman. Even if they can&#8217;t make it today, they are committed to sitting down.</p>
<p>I know I sound completely naive and idealistic, but if we can agree to not name call and sit down &#8211; anyone can.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t mean we will agree on every point, or we will be able to convince each other of anything. Not the point.</p>
<p>But, it is the first step towards civil conversations and legitimate debate, not just random name calling from any side.</p>
<p>I said it above, and I&#8217;ll say it again &#8211; if we can do this, why can&#8217;t our elected officials? </p>
<p>They block each other from meetings, and very rarely open up dialogue with each other. They just shoot attacks at each other through the media. So childish.</p>
<p>If, We the People, need to start the process of sincere dialogue and work towards the fix without them, so be it. We&#8217;ll pull them along with this process!</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1663</link>
		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m game. Feel free to email me.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Littleton</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1657</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Littleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. Thanks.

Thoughts on the content?

Just looking to keep the content dialogue going.

We have plenty of time to dig into all the think tanks that crank out info for everyone.

Doesnt mean the article isnt accurate.

Side note - trying to catch Nathan Friday afternoon if you are around. You can confirm through e-mail. i sent you a message already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. Thanks.</p>
<p>Thoughts on the content?</p>
<p>Just looking to keep the content dialogue going.</p>
<p>We have plenty of time to dig into all the think tanks that crank out info for everyone.</p>
<p>Doesnt mean the article isnt accurate.</p>
<p>Side note &#8211; trying to catch Nathan Friday afternoon if you are around. You can confirm through e-mail. i sent you a message already.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wilson</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1656</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys... just want to chime in and say thanks for the dialog.  Along with Chris, I would love a chance to meet in person and further the conversation.  For once, things are actually progressing beyond name calling into substantive argument.  Whether or not we end up agreeing, we&#039;re all better served for it.  If you guys are game, work through Chris and we&#039;ll meet out somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys&#8230; just want to chime in and say thanks for the dialog.  Along with Chris, I would love a chance to meet in person and further the conversation.  For once, things are actually progressing beyond name calling into substantive argument.  Whether or not we end up agreeing, we&#8217;re all better served for it.  If you guys are game, work through Chris and we&#8217;ll meet out somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1650</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is a conservative think tank founded in 1943. Its stated mission is &quot;to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate.&quot;AEI is an independent non-profit organization supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. It is headquartered in Washington, D.C.

AEI scholars are considered to be some of the leading architects of the second Bush administration&#039;s public policy. More than twenty AEI scholars and fellows served either in a Bush administration policy post or on one of the government&#039;s many panels and commissions.

You&#039;re poibt would be better servered if you chose a less NeoCon source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is a conservative think tank founded in 1943. Its stated mission is &#8220;to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate.&#8221;AEI is an independent non-profit organization supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. It is headquartered in Washington, D.C.</p>
<p>AEI scholars are considered to be some of the leading architects of the second Bush administration&#8217;s public policy. More than twenty AEI scholars and fellows served either in a Bush administration policy post or on one of the government&#8217;s many panels and commissions.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re poibt would be better servered if you chose a less NeoCon source.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Littleton</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1643</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Littleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd.

The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.&quot;

Really strong quote made almost 200 years ago by Tocqueville, so not a new radical here. Maybe one of the most well respected historians and travelers of all time, he completed a series of writings compiled as &quot;Democracy in America.&quot;

Without getting in too deep and trying to play amateur scholar, the foundations of our nation in a big way revolved around writings by his mentor Montesquieu (friend of Voltaire) in many series of books (credited with the many ideas behind natural law, balance of power, post Roman democratic Republics, etc), one of which was the &quot;Spirit of Laws&quot;. Montesquieu points out that virtue is almost unnatural in man, so when given power, the temptation is often too great to remain virtuous. It&#039;s one of the reasons he argues against empires and monarchies as a form of government.

Much of the later analysis on his work focuses on the idea that a free nation naturally becomes at war with itself (in the same way we are right now) because prosperity brings a sense of comfort, and comfort brings entitlement (imagine rich people thinking they are entitled to special privileges after living a certain way for so long), and entitlement invites despotism because it can preserve, most easily and without effort, that staus quo.

I feel we lie in this area right now. We are at a cross roads in this country where the sense of what is deserved has crossed the point where some are willing to give up liberty to maintain comfort, and that only leads to one conclusion - the very soft despotism of Europe (not by a man, but a system). It is a society, much of which is no longer capable of sucking the marrow out of life.

So its not actually Communism or Socialism that we fear. Those are political constructs. Its that very soft despotism that results with rule of a few or rule by an entity so large that it commands dependency, even through rule of law.

Rather than summarizing another author, let me suggest an article - Charles Murray at the American Enterprise Institute lays out some of my basic issues with this direction. The article is: The European Syndrome and the Challenge to American Exceptionalism.

By &quot;American Exceptionalism,&quot; he means the unique American spirit that drives people to over-achievement.

It looks at things from a completely cultural perspective removing the debate over costs or rights. Just simply compares the cultures.

And, he does address the idea of what government&#039;s central role should be.

In this way, its not just my fear, its history. Its happened. I dont want to repeat it.

Hope you enjoy: http://american.com/archive/2009/march-2009/the-europe-syndrome-and-the-challenge-to-american-exceptionalism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd.</p>
<p>The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really strong quote made almost 200 years ago by Tocqueville, so not a new radical here. Maybe one of the most well respected historians and travelers of all time, he completed a series of writings compiled as &#8220;Democracy in America.&#8221;</p>
<p>Without getting in too deep and trying to play amateur scholar, the foundations of our nation in a big way revolved around writings by his mentor Montesquieu (friend of Voltaire) in many series of books (credited with the many ideas behind natural law, balance of power, post Roman democratic Republics, etc), one of which was the &#8220;Spirit of Laws&#8221;. Montesquieu points out that virtue is almost unnatural in man, so when given power, the temptation is often too great to remain virtuous. It&#8217;s one of the reasons he argues against empires and monarchies as a form of government.</p>
<p>Much of the later analysis on his work focuses on the idea that a free nation naturally becomes at war with itself (in the same way we are right now) because prosperity brings a sense of comfort, and comfort brings entitlement (imagine rich people thinking they are entitled to special privileges after living a certain way for so long), and entitlement invites despotism because it can preserve, most easily and without effort, that staus quo.</p>
<p>I feel we lie in this area right now. We are at a cross roads in this country where the sense of what is deserved has crossed the point where some are willing to give up liberty to maintain comfort, and that only leads to one conclusion &#8211; the very soft despotism of Europe (not by a man, but a system). It is a society, much of which is no longer capable of sucking the marrow out of life.</p>
<p>So its not actually Communism or Socialism that we fear. Those are political constructs. Its that very soft despotism that results with rule of a few or rule by an entity so large that it commands dependency, even through rule of law.</p>
<p>Rather than summarizing another author, let me suggest an article &#8211; Charles Murray at the American Enterprise Institute lays out some of my basic issues with this direction. The article is: The European Syndrome and the Challenge to American Exceptionalism.</p>
<p>By &#8220;American Exceptionalism,&#8221; he means the unique American spirit that drives people to over-achievement.</p>
<p>It looks at things from a completely cultural perspective removing the debate over costs or rights. Just simply compares the cultures.</p>
<p>And, he does address the idea of what government&#8217;s central role should be.</p>
<p>In this way, its not just my fear, its history. Its happened. I dont want to repeat it.</p>
<p>Hope you enjoy: <a href="http://american.com/archive/2009/march-2009/the-europe-syndrome-and-the-challenge-to-american-exceptionalism" rel="nofollow">http://american.com/archive/2009/march-2009/the-europe-syndrome-and-the-challenge-to-american-exceptionalism</a></p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://cincinnatiteaparty.org/blog/?p=321&#038;cpage=1#comment-1638</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris the one flaw in your argument is &quot;A big fear of government option is cost, and the slippery slope that leads to single payor&quot; Its YOUR fear and it doesn;t mean that it will happen.  And actually there isn&#039;t a case of that happening anywhere in the world.  To make statements like that is such a far reach and just such leap in logic and to promote that as fact is akin to fearmongering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris the one flaw in your argument is &#8220;A big fear of government option is cost, and the slippery slope that leads to single payor&#8221; Its YOUR fear and it doesn;t mean that it will happen.  And actually there isn&#8217;t a case of that happening anywhere in the world.  To make statements like that is such a far reach and just such leap in logic and to promote that as fact is akin to fearmongering.</p>
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