1. My son is 5 and goes to a private, Montessori kindergarten. This wasn’t the lunch the school provided, but the one that I packed and put into his lunch box. There are other examples, but this was a great one of a government that has overstepped its bounds. Are you arguing that this is a necessary restriction on my and my family’s freedoms?

2. I did a quick guess of the crowd. I didn’t count them one-by-one, and I haven’t seen a report in the 200-250 range.

3. About taxes, I didn’t give much detail. Two real quick points. Taxes will be raised on more than the top 2%. The main way to raise revenue in most versions of the bill is the tax on so-called “cadillac” plans. Ask some of your union friends how they feel about their gold plated coverage – http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28013.html. Obama attacked McCain on this in campaign, but seems perfectly comfortable with it now.

You can mince words all you want, but employers treat these taxes as part of their personnel expenses. That means wages will stagnate or fall to compensate, or jobs will be lost. I count that as a tax increase.

I also think that other taxes will eventually be raised to cover the bill. Nobody is talking about it, but it is a logical consequence of what is being enacted. Every single time this has been tried in all of recorded history (check out the initial version of Medicare, or look at Massachusetts or Tennessee), it has ended up costing more than expected. Given our record deficits, we have little to ability absorb cost overruns without tax increases.

To summarize topic 3 – unions (generally on your side) perceive a tax increase in the works and I think my expectation of other taxes going up is reasonable. I may end up being wrong, but it is a reasonable conclusion to draw, not doublespeak.

4. I’m utterly confused about what your concern is about the OLC and CTP. This isn’t something that anybody is hiding. I started CTP back in February. I met Chris in early April and by May he was a big part of what we do. The end of the month, he and I along with a few others started the Ohio Liberty Council. I am currently a board member of the OLC and President of CTP. Chris is a board member of CTP and President of the OLC.

5. We have nothing to hide, but I’m not bringing you stacks of paperwork to sift through. CTP is required to report donations and expenditures to the IRS. We do so. If you have anything in particular you want to see, I’ll be glad to share some of it with you. The overwhelming majority of the donations have been $50 or less. The largest has been $1000.

Will, I can only ask that you take a minute and give us the benefit of the doubt – if only just slightly. Chris and I have agreed to meet you in person with reporter present. If we were really as bad as you seem to think, do you think we’d be comfortable making that offer?

We are sincere in our desire to build bridges. Let us know your dates and I look forward to meeting you in person.

Feel free to bring financial paperwork

Chow

Good thing neither group is a 501c3!

Believe it or not, you can be non-profit and not be a c3.

Though even if either group were a c3, we would have the ability to 20% of funding toward lobbying efforts…legally.

How do you think all these shady organizations dump millions in lobbying efforts without trouble?

You can give me the rest of your theories when we meet!

http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=163392,00.html

Oh and I will let you know what dates I have.

What I meant from the newsletter is that can’t define an entire philosophy by highlights. Makes no sense.

OLC “endorses” Cincinnati tea party? What does that mean? The Cincinnati tea party isn’t seeking an endorsement, nor did it request one, nor was one printed. What are you talking about?

By the way, Cincinnati tea party is a non-profit as well. What does that prove? Churches are non-profits. The tea in china is $6/lb. And?

I have no idea where you are going with that.

Let me know what dates you have!

Yea and surprisingly NOW after 8 years of utter bull in the Giverment viola. You all care. Pffft.

Anyway, The Goverment can not always 100 pervent of the time do what you want. Unfortunate yes. And I am willing to bet that the people that you decry the most happen to be the ones that you and your’s didn;t vote for. But regardless. THEY were elected. This isn’t Central America where you can overthrow the Goverment with a coup.

Amd talk about craziness. OLC endorses CTOP so you basically endorse yourself. What interested me is whats going on financially behind closed doors and since OLC is a 501 Non-Profit.

I’ve contacted CityBeat and I’ll let you know what happems.

As for puling single lines from the mewsletters heres the whole thing.

I’ll be in touch.

Surround Recap and Special Offer
Dear Fellow Citizens and Taxpayers,

Our series of “We Surround Him” protests last week were a huge success. WIth minimal planning, hundreds of dedicated conservatives manned exits ramps on I-275 and held signs and handed out tens of thousands of flyers on the health care issue. On Saturday, about 500 helped surround Driehaus’ office in the Carew Tower and joined us for a rally on the square.

The response was overwhelmingly positive by those who received it and we accomplished our three main goals:
Increase the pressure on Steve Driehaus to live up to his promises and vote NO on the bills before Congress
Inform the public on the issue and move the needle on public opinion
Introduce new people to the tea party movement and continue to demonstrate that we are sober ones with common sense and it’s our Congress that are the true mobsters
Please accept my sincere thanks to those that took the time to be engaged. Movements like ours across the country are making a difference. Yesterday, we heard that Harry Reid is working on a version of the bill that allows states to “opt out” of the public option because he can’t get enough votes to pass it straight up. Part of this was due to Senator Joe Lieberman announcing that he would support a filibuster if the bill contained a public option.

I would like to point out that Reid’s “opt out” idea is pretty stupid since it lets you opt out of the plan, but not the taxes that fund it but that isn’t the point. The lesson to take from this is that a party with unified control and huge congressional majorities doesn’t feel comfortable passing the bill because of the electoral consequences. If we had sat on our hands the past few months, this would have passed in July.

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I am very excited to announce that our VP – National Affairs and Strategy, Justin Binik-Thomas has written a book. It is titled Profit is Not a Dirty Word – Free Markets and Grassroots Conservatism in America.

For the next two days (through 10/29), the book can be pre-ordered for $15 instead of it’s normal price of $20. Half of the proceeds from the pre-order period will be donated to the Tea Party.

The book is available on our home page – http://www.cincinnatiteaparty.org.

More will follow in the next few days as we continue to keep up the pressure on health care reform and start to re-engage on climate change. Much has been said lately about a conference scheduled for December in Copenhagen. Watch this video for a quick primer on the issue.

Sincerely,
Mike Wilson
Founder/President
Cincinnati Tea Party

I didnt say every source. I’m simply saying you didnt hear it, and you do hear it through pieces from biased sources.

You pull single lines from newsletters and make broad conclusions.

My favorite comment is me being obsessed about what is going on in government.

Thats a bad thing??

We argue all the time, the reason the government has gotten so out of control is that we werent watching it. Thats kind of how Democratic-Republics function…we elect officals, and are supposed to hold them accountable. Admittedly – we havent been doing that.

Now, you are condemning me for trying to watch government actions which we consider to be bad for the American people.

Yeah, that is SO radical. Totally crazy. WOW!! I am out there.

Come on man.

Its weird. I answer your accusations, and you say it is double talk and spin.

Gibbs was being asked how ALL this proposed craziness is going to be funded. That was his response. Not such a stretch. I’m still looking to the answer to that question myself.

Yes, myself, Mike and few other people started the OLC. Thats not a secret. Its right on the website. We are proud of it. Not exactly a secret. Don’t get that reference at all.

Of course CityBeat can be present. I don’t care who has it recorded. I care that its truth thats on the record.

You and a friend sit down with myself and Mike. We’ll cover a variety of topics. I’m not proposing a “debate.” Just a discussion through issues.

We video and record the whole thing.

Done!

Give me some dates you are available, and I’ll talk to Mike about making it happen.

So I suppose EVERY outside source is wrong then. I need not meet you I get the emails. I read them as for watching you closely and it being a strange obsession you seem to do the same to whats going on in goverment and where you think the goverement is becoming dangerous I think that you have the potential to be dangerous. Its all double speak and rhetoric. You are right itwasn’t just the top too percent. But they got the most. And before you start in saying “well they made the most” read this.

http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm

Also you give me a YouTube link from JULY about a Press Confrence with Robert Gibbs where Gibbs deals with a question from a repoter aboout Obama’s campaign promise about Obama not raising taxes on the middle class. That ha sabsolutely NOTHING to do with Mike Wilson and his assertation that Taxes will raise to fund the public option and an opt out won;t let you opt out of paying those imaginary raised taxes.

As usual, double talk, spin, rhetoric on your part

Its not slander when its the truth.

And and btw. We all know when Tea Party Events are endorsed by The Ohio Liberty Council that you and Mike ARE the Ohio Liberty Council.

Want to get together and talk? Okay. But instead of “recording it” and sending it to The Enguirer how about getting together with a reporter from CityBeat and letting him sit in to record and report it?

Who are the people reporting 200? I had not seen that anywhere. Just curious.

Ok, Reid hasnt even had access to work a bill for weeks, so I don’t understand that comment. The “bill” came out of finance committee over to the now closed door discussion, it was basically a bunch of ideas – it wasnt even really a bill.

A million ideas have been floating around, but nothing on the “Reid version” of the bill because it hasnt even existed until now.

Also – no one has explicitly stated “we are going to raise taxes on the middle class,” but the question is being dodged and ignored. Here is the clip to the famous dodge that started that commentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTmkB3NUL6Y

If the answer is “no,” just say “no.” You have nothing to hide. It wouldnt be a story if there was a striaght answer.

By the way, it wasnt just the top 2% that got cuts under the Bush years. Please don’t put me in a position to defend Bush on anything. I am no Bush fan and have more problems with his administration than credits. I’ll leave it at that.

So, I’m waiting for the lies and exaggerations from anything that has been said. I’ve seen Mike refute comments a hundred times, and all that happens is – switch subject to something else.

Bottom line Will – you are taking people’s word for something you didnt witness and don’t know. You cite the Beacon, and thats fine, but lets not pretend they don’t have an agenda.

They just ran a story called “Teabagger Alert.”

I’m not neutral. I have a very specific agenda, but I don’t pretend that agenda doesnt exist.

What I’m asking you is – what do you know about my agenda that you don’t read from outside sources?

You clearly follow us very closely. Its a strange obsession to watch from the distance but never actually engage. You clearly care because you devote a lot of time to it. Why?

What is your goal is spending this much time on what you consider a fringe group who no one cares about, lies all the time, can’t accomplish anything, etc, etc.

You know what I do with groups like that on any extreme – ignore them. They can’t be taken seriously. I ignore the ones on the right and the ones on the left.

I just addressed your points from the newsletter.

I ask you to sit down. You won’t.

You continue to throw slanders without a basis for truth.

I just don’t understand that.

If you care so much, and you need truth to be heard so badly – then sit down, in person and deconstruct our “lies” point by point.

We will record it. Even tape it. And you can blast to youtube, and I will publish the script on this blog. I’ll give to the Enquirer or any other outlets you choose.

If your quest is for truth – let the sun shine on everything!

I’m not afraid because I have nothing to hide. I do not seek the anonymity of commentaries and blog posts. I seek honest engagement, education and debate on real issues.

Truth my friend. I am seeking the truth.

Your invitation still stands.